Jacinda: “Listen to the independent doctors, scientists” – it took me minutes to find dissident voices

Jacinda: “Listen to the independent doctors, scientists” – it took me minutes to find dissident voices

New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Adern has tried to counter “conspiracy theories” by saying the following”

“If you’re someone who views politicians suspiciously, then please by all means listen to the independent doctors, scientists – those who are our source of advice that we lean on.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-s-message-to-covid-19-conspiracy-theorists.html

It did not take me more than a few minutes to find epidemiologists that are challenging the government agenda.

The best I can say is that similar opinions from practising doctors have been subject to blanket censorship.

I suppose the ‘out’ in Adern’s statement is the word ‘independent’.  The normal response is to say that the dissidents are ‘not independent’.


Masks only useful in confined spaces – Simon Thornley

http://www.voxy.co.nz/health/5/371227?fbclid=IwAR27zYmXQcay9KkDbjBfa7C7skJMsvJRVUHca89NR4E-RSbgaU7RJse634g

Epidemiologist Simon Thornley has reassured people that there has been no new information that concludes masks are warranted against COVID19.


“The trials are clear; there is no statistically useful safety gain in wearing a mask, although low quality observational studies show an advantage to wearing one in confined spaces.”

Thornley says he was moved to clarify the science because people advocating masks were claiming ‘things had changed’, leading to an increase in public mask-wearing since Wednesday.

“Nothing in medical science has changed since Ashley Bloomfield first told us months ago that there was no advantage to masks. What has changed is social and political advantage in advocating masks, and that’s not science.

“I will not be wearing a mask without symptoms, but anyone with compromised health could choose to carry a mask to wear in places like public transport.”

Thornley urged all public communicators, including media, to reference the latest science on masks so people could decide for themselves (see below).

On Monday, the Covid Plan B group is live-streaming a COVID-19 Science and Policy Symposium, featuring international experts analysing the New Zealand situation. Find out more here.


New Lockdowns Are Proof That They 

Don’t Work

Thursday, 13 August 2020, 9:17 am

Press Release: Covid-Plan B


Epidemiologist Simon Thornley says the new virus outbreaks and lockdown responses are proof that New Zealand must, as the WHO has recently said, learn to live with the virus.

An outbreak was inevitable, and therefore lockdowns were never a viable repeatable solution – you pay a high price, repeatedly.”

As we’re about to experience yet again, lockdowns harm everyone more than the coronavirus does.”

Protecting the elderly, staying at home if you are ill and hand hygiene are the mainstays of reducing the spread of the virus.”

Thornley says it is ironic that the Government had now also decided to lock down all aged care facilities.

This is precisely the solution we advocated three months ago. Proof has since mounted that those of us over 65 are the only people at real risk: the age of death with this virus is much the same as what we observed in people who died last year. The risk is extremely low for people aged less than 65. No one has yet died in their fifties or younger in New Zealand.

Even in apparently ‘hard hit’ regions of the world, people aged less than 65 without underlying conditions were very unlikely to die from the virus. They accounted for 0.7–3.6% of all COVID deaths in France, Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Georgia, and New York City.

Safe hygiene practices and protection of the elderly is the best solution.” Thornley said.

Thornley points out that the Government promised that the first lockdown was to eliminate the virus, and its four-day extension would ‘lock in the gains’.

Yet here we are, with the virus, locking down again. Proof, if you needed it, that lockdowns only delay, or even magnify, the health and economic harm.”

On Monday 17 August, the Covid Plan B group is live streaming the COVID-19 Science and Policy Symposium, featuring international experts analysing the New Zealand situation.

The international speakers confirmed include founder of Yale University’s Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Centre Dr David Katz, who worked at the front line of New York hospitals dealing with patients, and viral immunologist Dr Byram Bridle who is part of a team commissioned by the Canadian Government to develop a COVID vaccine.

To find out more information about the COVID-19 Science and Policy Symposium Webinar, visit here.


Gerhard Sundborn, epidemiologist at University of Auckland and member of the Covid Plan B group, called into Kerre McIvor Mornings with his thoughts on the Government’s Covid response.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/kerre-mcivor-mornings/audio/gerhard-sundborn-covid-is-not-as-dangerous-as-the-fear-instilled-in-community/?fbclid=IwAR2wHE0ZdPPF9OalnQTfIfdlvQOA-WnUIzvF1METr7nc_cqSk2wQtCxL1jI

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