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I woke this morning to claims that Islamic Jihad destroyed the hospital, and not the IDF.
This has become the media narrative.
Where is the truth?
I have seen claims that nothing happened!
I am, by no means neutral but I am open-minded.
I have taken the following from my twitter (‘X’) feed so you can make up your own minds.
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You can hear the audio released by the IDF here
Islamic Jihad struck a Hospital in Gaza—the IDF did not.
Listen to the terrorists as they realize this themselves: pic.twitter.com/u7WyU8Rxwz
— Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) October 18, 2023
Even CNN is saying the authenticity of the audio cannot be confirmed.
It seems that this narrative is doubtful.
This is Alex Thomson from UK Column.
Syrian Girl pours scorn on the whole thing and calls it preposterous.
I have found the footage from Channel 4.
Channel 4 News tears Israel's lies about the hospital bombing to shreds in less than 60 seconds pic.twitter.com/A1ccwOSkiw
— Lowkey (@Lowkey0nline) October 18, 2023
This is what a US weapons inspector has to say.
I wonder what Scott Ritter will have to say.
US WEAPONS EXPERT DEBUNKS ISRAEL’S DENIAL OF GAZA HOSPITAL MASSACRE
Dylan Griffith, a US Army veteran, contested Israel's assertion that a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' hit the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, using visual evidence to challenge their account. pic.twitter.com/mo7ce3Kxmf
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
This was the first footage that came out.
🚨The moment the Baptist Hospital in central #Gaza was bombed pic.twitter.com/7FbWNot3nP
— Middle East Observer (@ME_Observer_) October 17, 2023
In the first hours after the attack various figures from Israel admitted it.
🇵🇸🇮🇱 Israeli Channel 12 Admits Israel Bombed The Hospital.pic.twitter.com/Ixkou0UH76
— Censored Men (@CensoredMen) October 18, 2023
They tweeted and then removed tweets
🇮🇱 Never forget that Israel told you who bombed the Gaza hospital, then DELETED their post.
🇮🇱 Israel then told you they had video evidence proving they did not bomb the hospital, then again DELETED their post.
You are terrible liars @Israel @HananyaNaftali! pic.twitter.com/xHBHNCNjUL
— Jackson Hinkle 🇺🇸 (@jacksonhinklle) October 18, 2023
This is from an Israeli influence Hannaya Naftali who, despite denials of any ties, has been filmed with Netanyahu.
I bet the ;iBC have retreated from this into the agreed narrative!
🇵🇸🇮🇱 BBC journalist says the attack on The Al-Ahli National Baptist Hospital in Gaza HAD TO BE DONE by Israel.
— Censored Men (@CensoredMen) October 17, 2023
Israel does have prior form…
And Israel would DEFINITELY never bomb a hospital and lie about it, right? 😬😬😬 pic.twitter.com/VCeJ3O6oUz
— Dan Cohen (@dancohen3000) October 18, 2023
Pro-Palestinian people have found this footage which claims to show the HAMAS rockets on the right while an aircraft flares up just before the massive explosion from an American-made missile.
VIDEO BREAKDOWN: WATCH THE ROCKETS ON THE RIGHT FROM HAMAS – HOSPITAL IS IN THE CENTRE – THEN THE WARPLANE FLARES UP ON THE LEFT FOR THE BOMBING OF THE HOSPITAL pic.twitter.com/cJACzRX22E
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
More footage
VIDEO: ISRAELI JET FLARING BEFORE BOMBING THE HOSPITALpic.twitter.com/4Sy5nudDnX
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
People have compared the sound of Hamas rockets compared with that of an American- made JDAM missile
EXPLOSION IN GAZA FROM ISRAELI IOF AIRSTRIKE – LISTEN TO THE SOUND WHAT DOES IT SOUND LIKE? pic.twitter.com/LsbCqYaaqe
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
For reference this is what a JDAM bomb strike looks like
Here is one in action. USA supplied to Israeli Air Force. Detonates above ground leaving no crater. pic.twitter.com/ped58h2zzx
— Thong Lo 🇺🇸👊🏻 (@thonglo_) October 18, 2023
THIS is what Wikipedia has to say about the JDAM
A perfectly reasonable response in my mind.
I don't want to participate in any of this anymore. It's clear that only certain voices on this issue are being amplified and boosted for reach, and I don't think it's organic. We're being played on every front with non-linear psychological warfare, botnets, AI, military… pic.twitter.com/hZiW8H8MCw
— Inversionism (@Inversionism) October 18, 2023
Some on Twitter are using this picture to “prove” that it was not an IDF attack and even that nothing much happened
Here is the response to that – the impact looks like an airburst
ISRAELI CRATER PARKING LOT CLAIM EXPOSED Israel’s final claim is that the lack of craters at the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza, rules out that it was Israeli IOF bombs
This is the last lie because JDAM (includes the MK.83 GBU-32 and GBU-39) does have an airburst mode, which does not produce a crater.
It kills using shrapnel, shockwave and fireball from the explosion.
In fact this is a more sinister motive since it will kill more people but cause less damage to infrastructure.
The IOF knew there were refugees in the vicinity and they didn’t want to leave proof of the detonation.
ISRAELI CRATER PARKING LOT CLAIM EXPOSED
Israel's final claim is that the lack of craters at the Al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza, rules out that it was Israeli IOF bombs
This is the last lie because JDAM (includes the MK.83 GBU-32 and GBU-39) does have an airburst mode, which does not… pic.twitter.com/FiBHRovbVY
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
MORE PROOF ISRAELI IOF ATTACK ON THE AL-AHLI BAPTIST HOSPITAL DEPLOYED AN AIRBURST
The moment of impact does look like an airburst.
The Israeli IOF aim the aerial bomb at a large crowd of refugees outside the hospital?
Look at the images. Car roofs have dents.
The second… pic.twitter.com/8AXdtWQMfb
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023
This is a pretty good summary!
Netanyahu: We didn't do it
Blinken: Of course you didn't do it.
Netanyahu: And of course you didn't blow up the Nord Stream pipeline.
— Norman Finkelstein (@normfinkelstein) October 18, 2023
Finally, for what it is worth, here is a Zero Hedge article
Who Struck The Hospital In Gaza?
Global Outrage At Gaza Hospital Strike
After news broke of an air strike against Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza, Muslims protested and rioted in multiple countries amid reports that the Israel Defense Forces had bombed the hospital.
Did The IDF Bomb The Hospital?
By 4pm New York time yesterday, 70% of bettors on the Manifold prediction market believed that to be the case. By 5am Wednesday, the percentage of bettors believing the IDF bombed the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza had dropped to just 7%.
Why The 90% Drop In Bets That The IDF Bombed It?
One of the main reasons seems to be dawn in Gaza, shedding light on the parking lot where the weapon hit. The lack of a large impact crater, and the limited damage radius, appears to suggest the weapon was not a bomb, as the thread by Nathan Ruser below explains. Ruser also offers evidence that the casualty numbers claimed by Gaza officials seem high relative to the structural damage visible and past truck bombings.
First, I should mention that this thread isn’t a forensic or expert investigation, I’m just sharing what I see and what I’ve seen previously. Nor am I attributing one way or another. Nor does this negate the countless civilians killed in Israel’s campaign.
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Indeed, within 10m of the impact site there are cars which appear mostly undamaged. pic.twitter.com/yUs2MQI2VD
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Footage from ground level this morning shows essentially no crater. And very little damage to the building around 20m away from the impact site. pic.twitter.com/xnhOSjYf9E
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Namely because the ‘before’ image is from two days prior to the strike, I believe there were reports of the hospital being minorly damaged in strikes during that period so it is possible that the roof damage is not from the same time as the explosion.
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Compare the damage from photos of rocket impacts in Ashkelon from last weekend. The only real difference is that this explosion appears to have involved more accelerant (which would track with reporting that this barrage was aimed at Tel Aviv). pic.twitter.com/NcI0Vp6OlI
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Compare this to airstrikes in Gaza which tend to leave a much larger crater and cause a lot more damage, they also almost always leave big deposits of concrete dust after striking a structure, though the construction of this particular hospital could be different. pic.twitter.com/xkK6Pg0NSu
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Also see this https://t.co/7blIvu31am to show the scale of the structural damage and concrete dust.
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
It is also more than possible that there were many people in the area. And the casualties could be quite high, especially if people were out in the open and there was falling, burning fuel.
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
But 500’s incredibly high number, honestly implausible. Overlaying the area of damage on Google Earth – keep in mind this is mostly from burning cars NOT the explosion – it is 228m2.
This is that sort of crowd density (assuming there were no survivors which is also implausible). pic.twitter.com/A6JoWTht7q— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
In July 2016 a truck bomb in Baghdad killed ~350, this is the damage it did.
In Oct 2017, a truck bomb in Mogadishu killed 500+, this is the damage it did.
In Oct 2022, a truck bomb in Mogadishu killed ~125, this is the damage it did.Compare any of that to the above. pic.twitter.com/MHbTaYnlVz
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
Consistent With Yesterday’s Missile Analysis
That is consistent with GeoConfirmed’s analysis yesterday that a Palestinian missile had exploded in midair and one of the pieces fell on the hospital’s parking lot.
GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL.
A missile launched by Palestinian Groups exploded mid-air and one of the pieces fell on the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital’s yard.
31.504822, 34.46169
Before reacting READ our thread.https://t.co/qbpUGQk89o
1/X
— GeoConfirmed (@GeoConfirmed) October 17, 2023
GeoConfirmed did add a caution at the time:
Important note:
Our conclusions are based on our geolocations: That doesn’t mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason.
We are geolocators, not official investigators.
Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!
To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed.
One thing this incident illustrates is that the propaganda battle will be an important front in this conflict.
Wednesday Evening Update
Nathan Ruser added to his thread throughout the day after we wrote this. In this post, he notes an impact crater, but says it’s inconsistent with an airstrike.
This video is the first that shows an impact crater. Once again, inconsistent with an airstrike. This crater is ~10m away (& closer to the civilian camp) from where I initially thought the impact was. https://t.co/HTVP7O4aZq pic.twitter.com/iP6NOlU98A
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
In this one, he criticizes the IDF’s release of thermal drone imagery that doesn’t include the small impact crater.
One other thing I will note, is that it is particularly sneaky of the IDF to release the thermal drone imagery in a way that just barely cuts out the small impact crater (around where the red circle would be). No idea if they did this deliberately, but it certainly does not help. pic.twitter.com/Yd8k277QHR
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
He also links to another thread of his refuting claims that the hospital was struck by an Israeli jet.
There’s a few threads gaining some traction that claim to prove an Israeli jet struck the hospital. They’re wrong. Their geolocation is wrong & their timing is wrong.
Here’s a thread where I step-by-step refute their claims. https://t.co/w2C012C0u6— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) October 18, 2023
You can find his complete thread, as of 5:45pm New York time Wednesday, embedded below.
@dpinsen Salam, you can read it here: https://t.co/ga7FXP4OGz Have a good day.
— Thread Reader App (@threadreaderapp) October 18, 2023
US WEAPONS EXPERT DEBUNKS ISRAEL’S DENIAL OF GAZA HOSPITAL MASSACRE
Dylan Griffith, a US Army veteran, contested Israel's assertion that a Palestinian 'misfired rocket' hit the Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital, using visual evidence to challenge their account. pic.twitter.com/mo7ce3Kxmf
— Sulaiman Ahmed (@ShaykhSulaiman) October 18, 2023